@tekken20: Du må gjerne sitere mark twain hvor mye du vil, det forandrer ikke fakta. Forresten kan jeg fint få til det samme kunststykket i Norge i dag også, jeg trenger ikke å dra lenger enn noen en halvtime fra sentrum av oslo, så kan jeg gå milevis uten å treffe på mennesker, men det betyr ikke at det ikke bor folk her for det. Forøvrig tenkte jeg at jeg skulle hjelpe deg å korrigere oversettelsen din litt:
Sitat av Mark Twain
One may ride ten miles (16 km) hereabouts and not see ten human beings
Det blir litt feil å oversette "not see ten human beeings" til "ikke se et eneste menneske". Ten betyr ti (10), så en mer korrekt oversettelse blir "uten å se ti mennesker". Jeg er ikke helt sikker på om det er engelsken din som er problemet her, eller mattekunnskapene, men det blir ihvertfall feil. Jo, forresten - et par andre ting kan tyde på at det er mattekunnskapene, men det får jeg komme tilbake til etterpå. Nå tenkte jeg at jeg skulle dra fram et litt annet
sitat:
Kathleen Christison, an American author who spent sixteen years as an analyst for the CIA, was critical of attempts to use Twain's humorous writing as a literal description of Palestine at that time. She writes that "Twain's descriptions are high in Israeli government press handouts that present a case for Israel's redemption of a land that had previously been empty and barren. His gross characterizations of the land and the people in the time before mass Jewish immigration are also often used by US propagandists for Israel."[176] For example she noted that Twain described the Samaritans of Nablus at length without mentioning the much larger Arab population at all.[177] The Arab population of Nablus at the time was about 20,000.[178]
Så tilbake til mattekunnskapene dine. 30.000 jøder i Jerusalem er fint det, det skal jeg ikke krangle på. Derimot sier ALT av kilder at jøder utgjorde ca 1/10 av den totale befolkningen i Palestina på den tiden. Det vil si veldig langt fra noe i nærheten av et flertall, så hva du vil fram til med det tallet ditt lurer jeg litt på?
Faktisk var det bare såvidt jøder utgjorde et flertall selv i områdene de ble tildelt i delingsplanen fra 1947, og totalt var det i 1947 ca 30% jøder i Palestina.
Se f.ex. -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_UN...te_corrections (like over her står det en liten tabell, som viser fordelingen i 1947). Det går også å se lenger tilbake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palesti...andate_periods, og da ser vi det samme mønsteret igjen. Jøder utgjorde kun en bitteliten del av befolkningen, og det var først når WZO startet opp at det begynte å stige.
Og når vi snakker om tidlig sionisme og jødisk innvandring til Palestina, tenkte jeg at jeg skulle ta med litt mer, dette er faktisk fra en av "fedrene" til sionismen,
Ahad Ha'am (som riktignok brøt med sionismen når han så hvilken retning den tok) (
kilde)
The great Zionist humanist, Ahad Ha'am warned against the violation of the rights of the Palestinian people, and his words are well known in the literature of Palestine.
"... Ahad Ha'am warned that the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination ...'
"... The same lack of understanding he found in the boycott of Arab labour proclaimed by Jewish labour ... 'Apart from the political danger, I can't put up with the idea that our brethren are morally capable of behaving in such a way to humans of another people, and unwittingly the thought comes to my mind: if it is so now, what will be our relation to the others if in truth we shall achieve at the end of times power in Eretz Yisrael? And if this be the "Messiah": I do not wish to see his coming.'
"Ahad Ha'am returned to the Arab problem ... in February 1914 ... '[the Zionists] wax angry towards those who remind them that there is still another people in Eretz Yisrael that has been living there and does not intend at all to leave its place. In a future when this illusion will have been torn from their hearts and they will look with open eyes upon the reality as it is, they will certainly understand how important this question is and how great our duty to work for its solution'." 15/
But Ahad Ha'am's plea went unheeded as political zionism set about to realize its goal of a Jewish State.
Et siste lite sitat, denne gangen fra
AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE fra FN's forgjenger - the League of Nations, i 1921
Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants. The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil. After the persecutions in Russia forty years ago, the movement of the Jews to Palestine assumed larger proportions.
Sist endret av atomet; 10. januar 2009 kl. 21:15.
